sistawendy: (butterfly)
I saw Wonder Woman with m'boy last night, and here's my capsule review: it lives up to the hype. The writing & direction in particular are right on. If you like superhero movies, you should see it. And I say that despite inexplicably not developing a raging crush on Gal Gadot, who does the difficult job of making an innocent, crusading Amazon princess with superpowers seem credible. And I give grudging props to Chris Pine as well.

But I read about (cisgender) women crying at the fight scenes featuring women and raving that this was the movie that they'd waited their whole lives for, and... I'm not feeling that. Sure, it's good, but if you weren't raised as a girl you don't get the extra dimension, at least not most of it. Yeah, it's one of those you're-not-woman-enough moments for me, and I can be reasonably certain that they won't stop until I do. When there's a biopic about Janet Mock*, though, I'll be emotionally all over that, and it'll be you cissies' turn to suck it.



*Yes, Jenny Boylan's story is much more similar to mine, and I think Boylan's a better writer, but Mock's Redefining Realness would make a way better movie.

Date: 2017-06-06 08:49 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] ivy
ivy: Two strands of ivy against a red wall (Default)
I am unlikely to air this opinion widely because I so don't want to harsh other people's squee and I recognize that this movie was deeply emotionally satisfying for so many of my friends. But I'm sharing here in hopes that it will make you feel better. I was raised as a girl and I didn't think the fight scenes were particularly credible. I too wish I didn't feel that way, but it is what it is. There are a bunch of places where as a martial artist I know what would have happened, and it wasn't what was on screen. (That beach scene? The people who won are not the people who would have won. It was awesome eye candy but our technological development curve worked that way because it's more effective.) So I think it's wish fulfillment for people who don't actually do those things, but as a person who does a fair number of those things, I thought it was awesome as fantasy but it didn't suspend disbelief.

I have opinions, heh

Date: 2017-06-06 09:10 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] ivy
ivy: Two strands of ivy against a red wall (Default)
Heh, yeah... but to get more detailed, there's a point in a later fight scene where Diana would totally have gotten her femoral artery slashed, and the movie would be over ten to thirty seconds later. (I would be fine if invulnerability was one of her powers, but it's not -- she gets that arm crease from the beach fight, so she can be hurt. Luke Cage doesn't bug me this same way because he's canon bulletproof.) In WW canon, the Amazons are immortal on Paradise Island, but that was clearly not the case in this (DC Cinematic Universe, maybe?), sooooo yeah.

I am also one of those people who goes to see First Knight and then gets all "THAT IS ELEVENTY CENTURY ARMOR AND YOU'RE IN THE SIXTH CENTURY, bullshit!", or, at one of the trailers that was about a giant killer shark threatening some scuba divers trapped in a shark cage 47 meters down, "NONE OF THIS WORKS LIKE THAT". I try to keep my pedantry under wraps so as not to spoil anyone else's viewing experience if they don't appreciate it, but it does affect my viewing experience. And I just didn't get emotionally hooked by this movie in the way that I had expected to, since everyone I know was saying it was even better than Fury Road. I wanted to love it, it just surprisingly didn't work out for me that way. The character's choices are emotionally satisfying to some people but I don't think they would work unless you were a god or whatever, which isn't an option for most of us, heh. Maybe I'm more pragmatic than I am enlightened/idealist? I still think of myself as an idealist but I get annoyed when people ding you for not doing things that will make you feel better but won't work or persuade anyone. I feel like Diana of the more recent comics is a diplomat, and she'd understand that and act accordingly. So I might like older, more experienced Diana/Justice League Diana better... we'll see.

Re: I have opinions, heh

Date: 2017-06-07 12:20 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] tylik
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I haven't seen it yet, but this is a lot like my movie watching experiences... except depending on who I'm watching with, I may or may not bother to be polite. I *vastly* prefer to watch any film with substantial fighting with other martial artists, because a lot of my enjoyment comes from cackling during what are supposed to be tense, riveting scenes.* I swear, this is why so many martial arts schools watch action flicks as a bonding exercise. And I mostly just tell people right out that if they're going to see a movie with me, I'm going to critique the hell out of the gender dynamics, and they can cope. (The canonical case being labmates or other professional colleagues and big dumb science fiction movies. Oh yes. I can shut up if I have reason, just...)

I will probably go see it. I might even organize an outing. I'm mostly wondering about lack of male-gaze-y directing.

* I will say this for [profile] craigp, we did tend to be laughing are heads off in the movie theatre at the same times... when no one else was. Studying wushu makes all the hyper stylized fighting extra hysterically funny.

Re: I have opinions, heh

Date: 2017-06-07 10:03 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] ivy
ivy: Two strands of ivy against a red wall (Default)
I sometimes can and sometimes can't suppress the unpopular commentary, heh. Here, their explanation to her of trench warfare and no-man's-land had me laughing out loud a good twenty seconds before anyone else picked what was gonna happen because OBVIOUSLY. But I sure did get funny looks for laughing at trench warfare before everyone caught up.

Date: 2017-06-07 09:40 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] m_cobweb
m_cobweb: (gloomcookie)
I just don't care about fight scenes, with anyone, ever. I am not in step with my generation in that regard, to be sure.

Seeing Robin Wright at a year older than me as the top warrior, though, THAT I liked. And Diana's combination of naivete and authority was nice too.

Date: 2017-06-08 02:46 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] leenerella
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There are a lot of things to talk about, but the most immediate and long-lasting effect was how different it is to watch a movie that isn't told through the lens of the male gaze. There was a lot of skin and a lot of movement, and none of it was gratuitously sexualized, and it was (and remains) breath-taking. I felt the same during Ghostbusters. It is powerful because it's rare, and the tears started within the first three minutes.

Date: 2017-06-10 04:41 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] fizzgig_bites
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As a kid, I worshiped Linda Carter as Wonder Woman. I have the DVDs of the Linda Carter Wonder Woman and it is campy at best. As a kid, I thought I could be powerful, strong, and right. Life taught me otherwise.

I just got out of the movie, so I haven't processed it yet. That said, it was a good movie. It did not make me cry. There was a feeling of relief, that it is about time for this movie since it's been on and off planning for years. Companies said it wouldn't work and movie goers have proven that wrong. Righteousness perhaps?

There is little about the movie that reminds me of Carter's Wonder Woman. It feels weird to me, but different is good. I liked the innocence and then pointing out the obvious zingers (secretary=slave). Out of the mouths of babes kinds of things. I'm all for fuck the patriarchy and doing what you are told to do. Anyway, stepping away from the soap box...

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